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Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.13 12:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 13/06/2006 12:43:49 Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 13/06/2006 12:43:20 Bonusus I am with you on the 7.5% thing but another thing I just thought of. With 5% and including Heavy drones the DPS of the Typhoon is below a domi. Both get to choose damage types and the domi has a stronger tank. But the Typhoon can't even fit spare heavy drones so loses 1/3 of its DPS. ATM you can fit 5 heavy and 5 meds... so you have no choice in drone damage type like the domi has but we get that with our guns/missiles. Increase drone bay to be able to fit some spares so 250m3 (8 heavy + 5 meds). I would be pleased to see a increase in drone bay to go with the 5% bonus to be able to sustain its DPS. Fitting Fitting I agree totally. With max fitting skills fitting minimum BS sized guns+cruise launchers of tech 2 form leaves: 5948PG and 447CPU Thats with minimum weapons and no NOS which has higher fitting requirements. So fitting a T1 tank. Dual rep, heavy cap booster leaves 198PG and 307CPU. Every other ship of armour tank form of either tier can fit a dual rep and cap booster (and propulsion) with its minimum weapons. It has one less low than the Geddon and Domi so using a fitting mod means it effectivly only has six lows to there eight. As an example the Geddon can fit all Dual Heavy Pulse T2's + Heavy NOS, dual rep and cap booster with 2480pg left where the Typhoon had no nos and only had 198pg left. A raise of what Testy said, 1k PG and 50CPU will really make the Typhoon complete to allow it to fit a strong tank like othe ships + BS weapons or good damage with some sort of tank. the rest Agree with you 100% there, no one could argue against those changes to description + hp layout.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.13 14:19:00 - [2] Originally by: Toaster Oven So you would be doing 80% of the damage of a Raven with half your high slots, and 64% of the damage of a Tempest with the other 4 high slots. Add the monster drone bay on top of that. Your max theoretical DPS with 6 dmg mods and maxed out skills would be 1647.2 DPS. Yeah, that's not overpowered at all... What on earth are you fitting to get those numbers? 5% bonus's, max skills using: 800mm T2 with Hail and Seige T2 and T2 Heavy Drones gives 800 DPS With 3 T2 Gyros and 3 T2 BCU it gives 1200 DPS. With 7.5% and same setup as above 1300 DPS. A Mega with Neutrons T2, 6 Mag Field T2's and T2 Heavy Drones gives 1400DPS.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.13 14:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Mila Prestoc 5% bonus's, max skills using: 800mm T2 with Hail and Seige T2 and T2 Heavy Drones gives 800 DPS With 3 T2 Gyros and 3 T2 BCU it gives 1200 DPS. With 7.5% and same setup as above 1300 DPS. A Mega with Neutrons T2, 6 Mag Field T2's and T2 Heavy Drones gives 1400DPS. I sincerely doubt you've done any calculations yourself judging by the impossibly nice round numbers you're quoting. But my figures are correct. Base damage of 4x 800mm II w/ Hail and 5% ROF bonus = 290.9 DPS Base damage of 4x Siege Launcher II w/ Rage and 5% ROF bonus = 374.5 DPS Base damage of 5x Ogre II = 316.8 DPS Total base damage = 982.2 DPS That's with no damage mods and with plenty of grid/CPU to spare. Your numbers are way off the mark. I used the spreadsheet produced by Naughty Boy. And I didn't use exact numbers, it was an example to show the difference in numbers not being pedantic over small numbers. I see your using rage, I apologise, I'll set the sig to 1000 so you get the full effect of them.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.13 16:55:00 - [4] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 13/06/2006 17:00:19 Originally by: Toaster Oven Theoretical Typhoon with 7.5% ROF bonus: 4x Heavy Diminishing NOS 4x Siege Launcher II 100MN AB II Faint Warp Prohibitor 2x PWNAGE painter LAR II MAR II 2x EAN II Internal Force Field Array BCU II RCU II 5x Ogre II + 5x Warrior II + 5x Hornet II 869 DPS. Its a solid tank, not awesome. What do you call the dual large armour reps with cap booster tanks if the above is awesome? 869 DPS my arse. Two TP's doesn't give 1000 sig for any BS. Say the average is 400m. First T2 TP makes it 520m. Second T2 TP (stacking penalty is 87.5% from memory so effect drops to 26.25%) makes it 656. A scorp the biggest sig BS would still be less than 700. So lets take 70% of the DPS of the missiles (drone DPS doesn't drop) so actual DPS would be just under 700 unless the target has MWD running all the time. Not so uber now is it. A Dominix with T2 Dual 250mm + T2 heavy drones has the same DPS but has replacement drones, more mids for EW and such where typhoon has to use TP's.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Toaster Oven Putting the same kit on two different BS doesn't net the same effect. Speed and sig radius play a big role. Did you actually expect a Typhoon with 320m3 sig radius going 500m/s to be taking the same amount of damage as a dual LAR Apoc with no speed mods? I've flown both long enough to know that's not the case at all. Sure I see your point, but the Typhoon has lower Hp than other BS and webbers are common so having the option of fitting a awesome tank would be nice which it doesn't have atm with current PG/CPU. Quote: Quite right about that. But I don't fly solo, and I don't know anyone who flies around in a battleship looking (hoping) for 1vs1 encounter either. And 4 TII TP with max skills will take most BS up to about 1000m sig radius. Your numbers are wrong btw. You don't take into account signature focusing skill. Bugger another skill to add to the list thats a mile long already, say level 4 of that skill for 20%. 20% on top of the T2s 30% would give 36%. Quote: Sure, it may have the same DPS. Does it have 4 Heavy NOS as well? No? Didn't think so. Is the Typhoon able to fit a handful of ECM (the I win button), web, cap booster? No? Didn't think so. Sure against other ships such as a Mega things would get interesting without ECM but lets not do the theory of every pvp battle possible.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 12:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 14/06/2006 12:51:19 Originally by: Ghostshadow III Phoon is a damn fine ship.... all that say it a crap ship havent tried it fully... i do lvl 4 mission in it... and no its not easy... but with abit brain u can do it... for pvp matter its awsome too.... screw the discription... it dont matter since all the others r **** too... I would suggest reading this: Originally by:** Testy Mctest Please feel free to stay....intelligent contributions, either for or against the arguments, are what it's all about after all :) I could easily say, "this ship is pathetic, I can't do level 4's in it, I can't win in pvp in it cos all the other ships are better" but that doesn't make it true just because I said it. Give reasoning to your arguement or your wasting your time even posting it and my time replying to it.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 13:20:00 - [7] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 14/06/2006 13:21:29 Originally by: Alfred AngloSaxon Edited by: Alfred AngloSaxon on 14/06/2006 11:39:37 tbh the phoon is one of the nicest bs ive flown to this date. correctly fit with imense tanking ability due to the high pg makes this one hard nut to ***. and with 5 heavy drones and tech 2 dual 425s with hail/barrage its still hitting pretty hard, especially if u kill the guys cap with 3/4 nosses or/and 1 neutralizer. imo ill take the phoon into 1on1 battles 100 times over the pest. :p u can with ease do 2on1 battles if u fit 1-2 jammers in the mids with a cap booster and warp dis ;p Something like this? Quote:** Typhoon Dual 425mm AutoCannon II Dual 425mm AutoCannon II Dual 425mm AutoCannon II Dual 425mm AutoCannon II Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I ECM - Multispectral Jammer I ECM - Multispectral Jammer I Warp Disruptor I Reactor Control Unit II Large Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 5962 shield, 9.32/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 9668 armor, E/T/K/Ex=70/70/66/59 4800.0 cap, +16.9/s, -71.933/s 180.0 m/s Fit a setup like that to a Tempest. One less heavy nos for a extra gun. No rcu II but can fit 2x large reps unlike the typhoon. more starting HP. extra mid for web or something but cpu is tight so the main constraining factor. med drones instead of heavy but main DPS is from the guns so can't be lost by getting blown up. higher sig (20m) and slightly slower (20m/s) The DPS is very similar. Depends on level of BS because the tempests dual bonus to the guns really affects things. Once you lose your typhoons heavy drones your DPS dives. ------------------ This is why we are calling for the changes. ATM the Tempest does nearly everything better than the Typhoon. Giving the Typhoon a bit more flexability in fitting and with missiles will really seperate it and bring it out from under the Tempests shadow.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 15:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Weirda matari gun get their 'dps' from matari ship to keep them from going on other ship. much as laser use too much cap on non-amarr ship... that is the real reason it wont change. (yes we know that people have made many viable setup with projectile on non-minmatar ship, but those setup are not using dps as their viability). but wtf does weirda know - you have completely ignore every post then agree w/those that repeat the same thing... I AGREE... feel the love. I think 5% would be ok after running some tables/graphs but 7.5% wouldn't be overpowering but actually make it a GOOD ship. People are so used to it being some low DPS tin can they don't want it being anything but that little minmatar tin can that fits loads of nos and a few missiles or AC's. The strength people haven't mentioned explicetly so far is that people won't know what to expect. ATM AC's + Missiles are very low DPS compared to most BS's. With the bonus changes people would actually have to consider the damage output of the Typhoon. It could also use the traditional Missiles + NOS while retaining good DPS like the Domi does through its drones (which it has vast ammounts of spares unlike the typhoon) so it would truely be flexable and unpredictable.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 19:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarmaul /op signed (you took your bloody time writing it!!!) You took your time to post! We got the Sarmaul stamp of approval, tux may carry the changes out. hehe
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 20:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Sarmaul /op signed (you took your bloody time writing it!!!) Took your time replying too. 4 pages down! I'm sure he wanted the 100th post or something before it came up to his standard of topic to post in.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.06.14 21:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/06/2006 21:29:59 Originally by: Mila Prestoc Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Sarmaul /op signed (you took your bloody time writing it!!!) Took your time replying too. 4 pages down! I'm sure he wanted the 100th post or something before it came up to his standard of topic to post in. I didn't even realise it was the 100th post, and I was in London all day yesterday so I couldn't reply to the thread Doh! Well i'm going to London tommorow so you can take over and push these changes ^_- I expect a Dev post by time I come back next week and nothing less!

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